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		<title>By: More Bad Press For Google. &#124; Snoskred - Life in the Country</title>
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		<dc:creator>More Bad Press For Google. &#124; Snoskred - Life in the Country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anti Vote Baiting (Beta) - make sure to read the first comment left by Aaron Wall - &#8220;As the weak and poor are kicked and beaten down they have no voice or energy left to speak.&#8221; - We need to keep speaking! Google vs. Innovation - &#8220;In trying to understand Googleâ€™s business practices, Iâ€™m now leaning towards the word slimy. hard to believe that has happened.&#8221; - Slimy is right! My Google Dropâ€¦ - Jennifer mentions another search alternative - Live Search - might be worth checking out. Webfetch - Another search engine option mentioned by Diddums in the comments on the previous post. ASK Away - Ask is another option for searching. The Next Microsoft: Google is learning too well from the master. What is IZEA RealRankâ„¢? The Thing About That Thing Introducing The Google Condom Google Spam Cop Opens Can Marked Whoop Ass GOOGLE Equals HYPOCRITE! Google Stock Drops Sharply PageTank - Have you been hit by the PageRank hatey stick? Official: Selling Paid Links Can Hurt Your PageRank Or Rankings On Google  Google, Paid Links and White Fuzzy Bunnies Why Googles Link Crackdown Is Just Designed To Create Panic Is Google Going to Expand its Punishments of Paid Links?  Act out your sophisticated affiliate link paranoia A Slippery Slope: Google Owns a Search Engine Optimization Company  Penalized for selling text links? Google, What Do You Want Me To Do? Why The Debate About Paid Links Was Over Before You Knew What PageRank Was Sweeping Everything Under the Rug Alternatives To Google Staying Alive In The Google Game. How To Beat Google At Its Own Game? Google Pagerank Again Hit By the Big Handed Google? If Your PR Has Not Been Demoted, You Are Square. Dumping Google Adsense Seems Inevitable Is Yahoo Becoming a Better Source of Search Engine Traffic? Is Google Now The Big Ugly? Google- YOUâ€™RE not Transparentâ€¦You Hypocrites. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anti Vote Baiting (Beta) &#8211; make sure to read the first comment left by Aaron Wall &#8211; &#8220;As the weak and poor are kicked and beaten down they have no voice or energy left to speak.&#8221; &#8211; We need to keep speaking! Google vs. Innovation &#8211; &#8220;In trying to understand Googleâ€™s business practices, Iâ€™m now leaning towards the word slimy. hard to believe that has happened.&#8221; &#8211; Slimy is right! My Google Dropâ€¦ &#8211; Jennifer mentions another search alternative &#8211; Live Search &#8211; might be worth checking out. Webfetch &#8211; Another search engine option mentioned by Diddums in the comments on the previous post. ASK Away &#8211; Ask is another option for searching. The Next Microsoft: Google is learning too well from the master. What is IZEA RealRankâ„¢? The Thing About That Thing Introducing The Google Condom Google Spam Cop Opens Can Marked Whoop Ass GOOGLE Equals HYPOCRITE! Google Stock Drops Sharply PageTank &#8211; Have you been hit by the PageRank hatey stick? Official: Selling Paid Links Can Hurt Your PageRank Or Rankings On Google  Google, Paid Links and White Fuzzy Bunnies Why Googles Link Crackdown Is Just Designed To Create Panic Is Google Going to Expand its Punishments of Paid Links?  Act out your sophisticated affiliate link paranoia A Slippery Slope: Google Owns a Search Engine Optimization Company  Penalized for selling text links? Google, What Do You Want Me To Do? Why The Debate About Paid Links Was Over Before You Knew What PageRank Was Sweeping Everything Under the Rug Alternatives To Google Staying Alive In The Google Game. How To Beat Google At Its Own Game? Google Pagerank Again Hit By the Big Handed Google? If Your PR Has Not Been Demoted, You Are Square. Dumping Google Adsense Seems Inevitable Is Yahoo Becoming a Better Source of Search Engine Traffic? Is Google Now The Big Ugly? Google- YOUâ€™RE not Transparentâ€¦You Hypocrites. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Palatnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo Palatnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add the content or once its added by the webmaster, contact Google and let them know you made changes to improve quality score on your landing page. 

Also, try to have some keyword density in the content for what you&#039;re bidding for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add the content or once its added by the webmaster, contact Google and let them know you made changes to improve quality score on your landing page. </p>
<p>Also, try to have some keyword density in the content for what you&#8217;re bidding for.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you suggest that - the product pages usually have a review pulled from the AMG site - this particular product is too new to have one yet.  The quality score dropped 24 hours after I began bidding on &quot;duran duran&quot; (poor).  No competition for the landing page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you suggest that &#8211; the product pages usually have a review pulled from the AMG site &#8211; this particular product is too new to have one yet.  The quality score dropped 24 hours after I began bidding on &#8220;duran duran&#8221; (poor).  No competition for the landing page.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Palatnik</title>
		<link>http://palatnikfactor.com/2007/11/13/google-you%e2%80%99re-not-transparent%e2%80%a6you-hypocrites/#comment-9275</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo Palatnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, how long did it take for your quality score to drop? Are you competing against someone else maybe on the same landing page or display URL? Is it Poor? OK? (The quality score that is)

The only thing I would add if it were my site is maybe try to get a CD review from someone (or maybe even a couple) and use it as content for not only the user but also Google. I think there may be a lack of content issue there as far as quality score goes, thats my only guess and would be surprised if thats not it. 

If your keywords are as targeted as you say they are towards the Duran Duran cd, you should be good (more content.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, how long did it take for your quality score to drop? Are you competing against someone else maybe on the same landing page or display URL? Is it Poor? OK? (The quality score that is)</p>
<p>The only thing I would add if it were my site is maybe try to get a CD review from someone (or maybe even a couple) and use it as content for not only the user but also Google. I think there may be a lack of content issue there as far as quality score goes, thats my only guess and would be surprised if thats not it. </p>
<p>If your keywords are as targeted as you say they are towards the Duran Duran cd, you should be good (more content.)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure:

http://www.wherehouse.com/music/product-detail.jsp?id=2708722</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wherehouse.com/music/product-detail.jsp?id=2708722" rel="nofollow">http://www.wherehouse.com/music/product-detail.jsp?id=2708722</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Palatnik</title>
		<link>http://palatnikfactor.com/2007/11/13/google-you%e2%80%99re-not-transparent%e2%80%a6you-hypocrites/#comment-9268</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo Palatnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John- Do you mind sharing the link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John- Do you mind sharing the link?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://palatnikfactor.com/2007/11/13/google-you%e2%80%99re-not-transparent%e2%80%a6you-hypocrites/#comment-9264</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pablo, I feel ya.  I&#039;m still mystified as to how, for example, a keyword ad for &quot;Duran Duran&quot; promoting &quot;New CD &#039;Red Carpet Massacre&#039; at x.xx&quot; price point that leads directly to the product page with that price reflected has a &quot;low quality score&quot;.

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pablo, I feel ya.  I&#8217;m still mystified as to how, for example, a keyword ad for &#8220;Duran Duran&#8221; promoting &#8220;New CD &#8216;Red Carpet Massacre&#8217; at x.xx&#8221; price point that leads directly to the product page with that price reflected has a &#8220;low quality score&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Palatnik</title>
		<link>http://palatnikfactor.com/2007/11/13/google-you%e2%80%99re-not-transparent%e2%80%a6you-hypocrites/#comment-9263</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo Palatnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that&#039;d be the case. I&#039;m not saying TELL ME EVERYTHING, all I&#039;m saying is be a bit more transparent. Give me some reasons, not just send me the same thing (QS guidelines page) every time I have a question about the subject.

It could just come down to better customer service. I know a lot of clients that know exactly how to set-up PPC campaigns but they don&#039;t have the time to focus on it (if its easy or hard doesn&#039;t matter)...the upside of hiring people like us is know are very up-to-date on what&#039;s going on and since we do it all day, from one success, we can replicate it to other campaigns. 

I&#039;m pretty sure I know what I have to do to get my QS back to what it was I just don&#039;t agree with a companies policies being pure speculative. 

Some things do play on the positive for us prof online marketers, but they hide many things from us as well. 

I am using the same keywords, etc but I did change some things around. I&#039;m going to build much tighter ad groups and change some things in my landing page around. I can post the site I have up now and the changes I made if that may help anyone, we&#039;ll turn it into a case study and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;d be the case. I&#8217;m not saying TELL ME EVERYTHING, all I&#8217;m saying is be a bit more transparent. Give me some reasons, not just send me the same thing (QS guidelines page) every time I have a question about the subject.</p>
<p>It could just come down to better customer service. I know a lot of clients that know exactly how to set-up PPC campaigns but they don&#8217;t have the time to focus on it (if its easy or hard doesn&#8217;t matter)&#8230;the upside of hiring people like us is know are very up-to-date on what&#8217;s going on and since we do it all day, from one success, we can replicate it to other campaigns. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure I know what I have to do to get my QS back to what it was I just don&#8217;t agree with a companies policies being pure speculative. </p>
<p>Some things do play on the positive for us prof online marketers, but they hide many things from us as well. </p>
<p>I am using the same keywords, etc but I did change some things around. I&#8217;m going to build much tighter ad groups and change some things in my landing page around. I can post the site I have up now and the changes I made if that may help anyone, we&#8217;ll turn it into a case study and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Eloi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eloi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pablo,

&quot;1- I don&#039;t think Google has anything better to do then to better instruct their advertisers so we can spend more money with them.&quot; 

That&#039;s one way to put it. 

I personally am happy to have the insider knowledge I have, by this I mean that for the moment, SEOs are still the best people to run PPC campaigns. If Google did tell you everything you need to know about PPC, you, Pablo, wouldnt run a client&#039;s PPC campaign, as they could do it themself. Or are you saying Google should give us the info, but no one else?

Regarding your second point, that does sound quite crazy. did you transfer these keywords to a new campaign before this happened? Are you usin the same landing page? Has it got the exact same meta data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pablo,</p>
<p>&#8220;1- I don&#8217;t think Google has anything better to do then to better instruct their advertisers so we can spend more money with them.&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s one way to put it. </p>
<p>I personally am happy to have the insider knowledge I have, by this I mean that for the moment, SEOs are still the best people to run PPC campaigns. If Google did tell you everything you need to know about PPC, you, Pablo, wouldnt run a client&#8217;s PPC campaign, as they could do it themself. Or are you saying Google should give us the info, but no one else?</p>
<p>Regarding your second point, that does sound quite crazy. did you transfer these keywords to a new campaign before this happened? Are you usin the same landing page? Has it got the exact same meta data?</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Palatnik</title>
		<link>http://palatnikfactor.com/2007/11/13/google-you%e2%80%99re-not-transparent%e2%80%a6you-hypocrites/#comment-9260</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo Palatnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Eloi-

I have to disagree with you on this.  

&quot;don&#039;t you think that Google has better things to do than go through every single account and tell every single advertiser that one of their ads could perform better?&quot;

1- I don&#039;t think Google has anything better to do then to better instruct their advertisers so we can spend more money with them.

2- I never asked for Google to tell me what ad is performing better but give me more of a reason why a keyword goes from being cents in minimum price bid and I was bidding way over that, to $5 or $10 minimum when the keyword and site are VERY RELEVANT to each other (NO SPAM)

They are all about sites giving as much information as possible to users to better understand their product or service when I don&#039;t think they do the same for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Eloi-</p>
<p>I have to disagree with you on this.  </p>
<p>&#8220;don&#8217;t you think that Google has better things to do than go through every single account and tell every single advertiser that one of their ads could perform better?&#8221;</p>
<p>1- I don&#8217;t think Google has anything better to do then to better instruct their advertisers so we can spend more money with them.</p>
<p>2- I never asked for Google to tell me what ad is performing better but give me more of a reason why a keyword goes from being cents in minimum price bid and I was bidding way over that, to $5 or $10 minimum when the keyword and site are VERY RELEVANT to each other (NO SPAM)</p>
<p>They are all about sites giving as much information as possible to users to better understand their product or service when I don&#8217;t think they do the same for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Eloi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eloi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi P,

I understand all your concerns about quality scores and all, but as an experienced advertiser you probably already know (or should!) a: what Google expects from you b: what it will expect in the future ie what direction are these guidelines going to?

I find that if you consider these two factors into the strtegic planning of your campaign, you just cant go wrong with quality scores...

RE: &quot;Why canâ€™t Google say, â€œHey, change this or add that, or there is your problem.â€
don&#039;t you think that Google has better things to do than go through every single account and tell every single advertiser that one of their ads could perform better? the quality score tool (magnifying glass) is already evry helpfull is finding out which aspects of your ad could perform better, of course they don&#039;t say exactly how this should be done... plus if they did, you probably would not run ppc for clients, as they could do it themselves... don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi P,</p>
<p>I understand all your concerns about quality scores and all, but as an experienced advertiser you probably already know (or should!) a: what Google expects from you b: what it will expect in the future ie what direction are these guidelines going to?</p>
<p>I find that if you consider these two factors into the strtegic planning of your campaign, you just cant go wrong with quality scores&#8230;</p>
<p>RE: &#8220;Why canâ€™t Google say, â€œHey, change this or add that, or there is your problem.â€<br />
don&#8217;t you think that Google has better things to do than go through every single account and tell every single advertiser that one of their ads could perform better? the quality score tool (magnifying glass) is already evry helpfull is finding out which aspects of your ad could perform better, of course they don&#8217;t say exactly how this should be done&#8230; plus if they did, you probably would not run ppc for clients, as they could do it themselves&#8230; don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Palatnik</title>
		<link>http://palatnikfactor.com/2007/11/13/google-you%e2%80%99re-not-transparent%e2%80%a6you-hypocrites/#comment-9258</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo Palatnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris-

I agree with you in some aspect of the understanding of SEO coming into play with a PPC campaign now (if that&#039;s what you&#039;re saying.)

Also, quality score=price hike is absolutely correct. I could go on about this topic forever though...some things seem legit...some don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris-</p>
<p>I agree with you in some aspect of the understanding of SEO coming into play with a PPC campaign now (if that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re saying.)</p>
<p>Also, quality score=price hike is absolutely correct. I could go on about this topic forever though&#8230;some things seem legit&#8230;some don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: METAPILOT</title>
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		<dc:creator>METAPILOT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an SEO, I understand &quot;quality score&quot; is just a different name for the ambiguity known as &quot;algorithmic relevance&quot; and the ability to traverse this relevance is how we get sites ranked in the natural search results.

Quality score is a combined logic and word puzzle and due to its implementation in the PPC arena, the most cost effective campaigns have started taking on a bit of an SEO flavor. With an understanding of how Google values the words on your site compared to the words on your competitors sites, your costs per click are reduced and you end up with better conversion rates.

With that being said however, I think people across the board are questioning the costs per click they&#039;re seeing in their campaigns and some might say that Google is disguising a price hike by hiding behind the term &quot;quality score&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an SEO, I understand &#8220;quality score&#8221; is just a different name for the ambiguity known as &#8220;algorithmic relevance&#8221; and the ability to traverse this relevance is how we get sites ranked in the natural search results.</p>
<p>Quality score is a combined logic and word puzzle and due to its implementation in the PPC arena, the most cost effective campaigns have started taking on a bit of an SEO flavor. With an understanding of how Google values the words on your site compared to the words on your competitors sites, your costs per click are reduced and you end up with better conversion rates.</p>
<p>With that being said however, I think people across the board are questioning the costs per click they&#8217;re seeing in their campaigns and some might say that Google is disguising a price hike by hiding behind the term &#8220;quality score&#8221;.</p>
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